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this is James Randi and you're listening

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to the skeptic zone welcome to the

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skipped exam the podcast from Australia

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for science and reason

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yes it's the skeptic zone podcast

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episode number 463 for the third of

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September 2017 richardsaunders here with

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you from a very interesting Sydney

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Australia where the weather's changing a

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little bit but yesterday yesterday the

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city and the surrounding areas was

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covered in smoke from various burn offs

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they're doing around the Sydney area

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because they fear this summer coming up

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will be a very bad for bushfire bushfire

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season so yesterday the city was

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blanketed in in smoke bushfire smoke but

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before we run off to fight bush fires

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what's coming up on this week's show a

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grain of salt with a run sagaie of the

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globe trotting around so give now not

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too long ago Iran Segev found himself

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with Cara Santa Maria now many of you

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know Cara Santa Maria from her work on

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the skeptics guide to the universe where

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she's one of the rogues of course but

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she's also a TV personality producer and

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podcaster in her own right

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Cara Santa Maria chats to Iran say give

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about all sorts of things including

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strange animals in Australia coming up

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at the top of the show man it's brouhaha

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science from Australia science TV with

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Casey Harrigan talking about the dangers

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of boxing and boxing gloves man I catch

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up with an old friend of mine an old

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friend of the skipping zone podcast who

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used to be known as dr. Paul Willis now

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professor Paul Willis Paul Willis was

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the director of the Royal Institution

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the people who bring you brouhaha by the

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way in a week in science before that but

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now Paul is left there and he's focusing

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on a new career with media engagement

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services and Paul will be helping

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scientists get their science out to the

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public through multimedia or general

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presentation skills so if you're a

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scientist anywhere in the world and

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you're interested in getting your

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message out to the public then I think

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you'll be very interested in this

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interview with

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professor Paul Willis then it's a very

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quick roar skeptic with Heidi Robertson

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raw skeptic report in the last of her

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reports from the recent starstuff

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Astronomy Festival in Byron Bay

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Heidi chats to Frank from Brisbane about

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Astro anarchy and if you're in the

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Brisbane area and you're into astronomy

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interview very interesting then to round

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off the show some updates and

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interesting news last week we brought

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you the story of the anti-vaccination GP

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who was who went to one of the

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screenings of the movie vac stand outed

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himself in the Q&A well there's an

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update to that story and what's

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happening to him and also the story of

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the world's number one self-proclaimed

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anti-vaxxer Kent Peck and lively and the

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situation is he has been denied a visa

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to enter Australia but we'll be covering

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that story at the end of the show now

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before we begin here's a note from a

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good friend of mine Chris Higgins who is

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organizing skeptic camp in Manchester on

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October the 13th now this is just before

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QED in Manchester what is skeptic camp I

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hear you cry skeptic camp is a free

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conference that celebrates the

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incredible work done by grassroots

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sceptics and activists now if you're

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going to QED or you just in the area and

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go to skeptic camp Cote UK I'll link

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this in the show notes and register and

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you'll be slotted into the schedule and

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again thanks to the generous support of

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QED organizers skeptic at Manchester

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will be free for everybody to attend

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regardless of whether you're planning to

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attend QED or not and in fact if you

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just like to attend skeptic camp there's

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no need to book a ticket you're free to

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wander in and out of the event

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throughout the day I think we'll be

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hearing more about skeptic camp in the

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next episode of the skeptic zone with

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Chris Higgins but for now that's the

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message if you'd like to take part in

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skeptic can't be thieve got something to

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say if you'd like to give a

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be in Manchester for QED then I can

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really recommend skeptic amp well that's

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enough from me right now I'm going to

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run downstairs open the door leave the

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studio run downstairs look in the fridge

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see if there aren't a couple of veggie

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burgers waiting to be cooked with a

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little bit of that lovely hot sauce and

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while I munch all those I hope you enjoy

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the skeptic zone

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let's all take this with a grain of salt

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is around ticket welcome to your own

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the tracks are gonna be backward cuz I'm

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it's gonna be confusing for you to edit

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I'm excited to be here in my own home

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here in America well thank you for

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giving me all these fancy fancy

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recording equipment so first of all it

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was great to see you again last time we

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met was at QED in Manchester almost a

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year ago now no way we haven't seen each

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other since Manchester yeah we ate I

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remember we went to a restaurant and had

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steak and then I was very confused

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because the the bread they call pudding

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right there there was yeah basically all

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dessert in England is pudding ah see

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bread that was on the side of the plane

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just bread I was like I'm so confused

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call thank you yeah well we're going to

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confuse you some more you're going to be

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in Sydney soon okay but what's confusing

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and Sydney I'm sure we'll find something

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that fancy with I know breakfast is

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biscuits a bicky's bicky's and sea

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biscuits mm-hmm

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crumbly rolls they're like breakfast

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rolls yeah it's bread and then cookies

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are cookies yeah now that they're

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that a dish there I don't think so it's

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such a southern disgusting amazing thing

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we had a donut by the way I'm telling

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people who are listening we shared a

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doughnut earlier yeah I have to though

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just defend myself and say I only had

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anyway so it's lovely to see you again

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he's giving me a tour of your wonderful

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house yeah wonderful view here it's just

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it's really so la is just really

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beautiful from here Griffith Park also

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astronomy I do enough to have an eight

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each eight inch telescope in your

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lounger and I was I wanted to ask you

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about that how much do you actually get

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to see I mean la is notorious for light

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pollution yeah so in Los Angeles

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take it out back to show people

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generally Jupiter and Saturn they look

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rings you can see some banding on

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Jupiter and you can usually see the

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Galilean moons so that's exciting but

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binocular viewer so you can put two

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lenses in and it's just 3d and stunning

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and quite easy to take photos even

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through your iPhone so that's always fun

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for people but when we go camping in

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galaxies and just a lot of those Messier

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anybody listening who doesn't know I

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absolutely recommend looking for

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globular clusters it's amazing takes

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globular clusters before I ever owned my

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telescope a bunch of my friends and I

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the Mount Wilson 60 inch for the night

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like a full night on the telescope and

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stand there and help you climb up on the

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ladder look through and oh my god and

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this is the telescope by the way we're

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like Hubble did his research like

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Hubble's name on it and you're like what

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globular cluster was through that

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telescope and I was like audibly it's

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stunning she takes her breath away yeah

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he's quite astonishing uh we actually

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friend's birthday we drove an hour and a

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into a national park and it's called I

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think Fraser Park and it's just a place

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she's a big flat parking lot I don't

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know the town is quite dark and there's

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not there's just not a lot of people you

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know headlights or anything boning your

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shots and we were able to just lie on

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our backs out there and watch the

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Perseids meteor shower and it was so

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he slept next to us the whole time in

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our sleeping bags it was really sweet

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that's been tested so continuing on this

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theme of astronomy I'm now as you know

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on my second day of a grand tour of the

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world that is anchored on one end by the

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Eclipse that's coming up on Monday and

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with a European skeptics Congress in

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Poland and in between I'm doing a lot of

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other traveling want to talk to you

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about the eclipses so I'm going to st.

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Louis to be with a bunch of astronomy

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lovers with the family okay and Fraser

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Cain and you're going to Oregon I am I'm

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going to Oregon and I think I can safely

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say this now because it's gonna happen

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in just a few days it seems as though

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eclipse coverage in Redmond which is

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about a 14 hour drive so it's gonna be

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an intense road trip and I'm also going

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to get paid which Hey

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I get getting paid to see the Eclipse

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this would be my second Eclipse also won

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in Cannes a few years ago and it quite

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literally takes your breath away it's

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it's the kind of thing that you I don't

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think anybody who's seen the eclipse

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ever fully forgets it's it's just such

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an emotional experience I'm so excited

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because I mean it's like I know

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cognitively what to expect but I have no

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idea how it's going to affect me

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emotionally and I have all my gear and

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I'm all prepared you know and ready to

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go but I can't wait until this it's it's

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only two minutes you know that's the

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totality here for this Eclipse

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specifically it's only two to two

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minutes and in a lot of the places where

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that they have totality but I'm I gonna

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have to remind myself to breathe I think

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during this you know one minute 50

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seconds in yeah okay so you do a lot of

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work in media and communicating science

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but there's also all kinds of activities

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that you do within the skeptical

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communities of obviously first of all

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you're on the skeptics guide to the

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universe which pretty much every single

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one of our listeners knows really but

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you will also be in Australia in

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November for the for a skeptic on 2017

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the 33rd annual convention what do you

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expect oh gosh I have no idea what to

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expect I'm excited because okay I've

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been to Australia once so I feel like it

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won't be brand brand new but I've never

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been to Sydney like which is crazy so

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I'm really excited to see the city I

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remember when I was at QED last year the

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last time we saw each other and there

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was a warmth there that's very hard to

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compare to other skeptic conferences and

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that's not to say that the American

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skeptic conferences aren't also very

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warm and inviting but there was

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something very special at QED and I I

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don't know I just have a feeling we're

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gonna see the same thing in Australia I

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think it's something about having a

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smaller country that's much more

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communal you know the United States is

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just so freaking big and Australia is

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large but population wise it's it's much

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smaller population wise we're a third of

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the UK yeah

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oh that's crazy and so I just think

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there's a warmth in a community that I'm

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really looking forward to I can't wait

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to see who decides to come out to the

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show I've got to figure out exactly what

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I'm going to offer everybody coming to

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make sure that they get their money's

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worth but I'm really excited to you to

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share in this experience with everyone

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so first of all we're obviously really

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looking forward to having you there but

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I think you will find that the

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atmosphere is something that is really

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really special I think all our

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conferences have always had this very

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regardless of how big they are and

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sometimes they get you know hundreds of

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people especially the ones in Sydney

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there's always a bit of the word escaped

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me at the moment it's kind of a Internet

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it's yeah there's a bit of an intimate

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feel to it yeah even even though it's a

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large number of people of course you've

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already seen in other skeptical

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conferences you've been to there's

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there's a there's no real separation

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between the speakers and the audience

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and you just get to just mingle and chat

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and all that and that is obviously

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really nice back in 2010 we had in we

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had Tom Australia in in Sydney and we

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did it at the Masonic Center okay it's

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under the big G perfect location for a

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sceptical conference but one of the

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things that they had there was that

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there were two levels and so it didn't

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matter where you were you're always

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about seven meters away from the stat

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most seven meters away from the safe

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they're all really small and intimate

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this the venue this time is a really

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wonderful many it's not not built in the

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same in the same way but it's still

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close enough and I think you will have

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that the same feel to it in the sense

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that you always feel like you're a part

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of the part of everything that's so good

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because I feel like I'm the kind of

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person when I give talks I don't give

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can talks and I don't I don't just like

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read off of a PowerPoint not that a lot

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of people do but some people give the

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same talk over and over that it becomes

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quite practiced and rehearsed but for me

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the I mean the talk is important I guess

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but I'm much more interested in the Q&A

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part like I love the part I just get to

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interact with everybody and basically

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have a conversation so I usually will

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make my talks a little shorter too to

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allow for more time for interaction

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because I just love the idea of being

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able to see the faces of the people that

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are there and being able to hear what

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their questions and concerns are and

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really addressing those I think it can

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take the talk in a completely different

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direction and I'm always really open to

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that and it's just so fun to interact

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with people it's great

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yeah I'd much prefer a conversation and

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like I am talking at you for a whole

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street hour it's like I mean you'll come

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a few days in advance I presume and you

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will hang out a bit we'll go see some

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animals local animals yes please you

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know with the descriptive names like the

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red-bellied black snake yes very

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descriptive I know exactly what I'm and

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the dangerous brown snake yes we have

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many things here in the US that want to

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kill you as well like we have some

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pretty dangerous wildlife here but you

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guys really I think have the reputation

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it's it's because you have a lot of

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venomous animals right like we have

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dangerous big megafauna that will you

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know grizzly bears and and Pumas and you

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know things that want to use exactly

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well yeah some of them

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Pumas you might not because they smell

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from the trees but um but we don't have

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quite as many we do have some venomous

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animals and poisonous animals we're not

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nearly as many as you know I think it's

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like us then the Amazon and then

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Australia has like no most yeah Trey Lee

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is notorious for mostly for spiders and

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then snakes and the thing is you know

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like for example you have the I believe

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it's it's either the first or second

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most poisonous spider in the world

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they're funnel-web spider the full name

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of the fun lewis spider is Sydney

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funnel-web spider there you go yeah here

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we just have a it's mostly brown widows

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now we had a lot of black widows but

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they actually same thing the brown

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widows were quite in bay

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and they sort of displaced a lot of the

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black widows I don't know if we have

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many spiders that would actually kill

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order you know we've got obviously

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rattlesnakes and in certain snakes that

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can be deadly if you're not careful and

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you don't get the antivenin soon enough

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but it's they're not just like

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everywhere like they are and but okay

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funnel web spiders if you have a pool in

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Sydney you will have seen funnel web

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spiders around your pool because they

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like the like the damp soil and all that

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so and yeah and they in February around

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February when the male's go out looking

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for females they will venture into homes

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I think most in Sydney status will have

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seen a funnel web spider at some point

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the thing is they're not very aggressive

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yeah unless you really poked at them

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that's how widows are nothing nothing

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will happen to you yeah and the reality

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is that even though they're so poisonous

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the this sorry not poisonous

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it's so venomous there hasn't been a

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death from funnel-web spider in like 50

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years that's good so there's there's

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anti-venom you know yeah it's the same

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thing with our with our Puma population

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I mean it's a fascinating story I

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recommend people read about the ghost

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cats of Los Angeles cause you know we're

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a very urban area and we have these

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beautiful large cats

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Pumas Cougars what else are they called

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Panthers that all the same species just

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different euphemisms for it and hundred

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lines mountain lions yes that's another

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one and they do they stalk from the

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trees they can be quite aggressive they

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can but like they're not they don't want

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to eat people yeah you know what I mean

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it's like it's only in dire

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circumstances that that would happen or

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when people are doing stupid things and

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egging them on or actually it's the

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opposite of egging them on when you when

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you see a mountain lion in the wild

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you're supposed to act quite big and act

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like because they're they're ambush

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predator so if you act like prey they

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will think you're prey and they might

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run after you so you've got to be like

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I'm larger than you but they we have

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very few deaths if you look at like

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historically it's like just you know a

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lesson you can count on your fingers in

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like the last 50 years or something like

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that so it's the same kind of a thing

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and we have brown widows all over there

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oh

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probably walked right by five of them on

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the way into my house I love them I let

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them stay because they eat all the

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mosquitoes yeah well we you know we have

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the the most common spider in Sydney is

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actually the Huntsman there they are in

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every home and they can be they can get

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very large but again they they're not

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they don't do anything they're not

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particularly venomous yeah they they the

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mosquitoes yeah it's so important I

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don't know if you noticed but I'm moving

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away from Mike I have a giant mosquito

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bite on my cheek that I got just last

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night and it's oh it she and it makes me

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crazy because Los Angeles used to not

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really have that many mosquito I growing

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up in Texas I was eaten alive all the

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time

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climate change man we're just seeing

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them in places they never used to thrive

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it's just going farther and farther

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north so what else are you working on

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now anything else that you can talk

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about yeah so I just wrapped on season 2

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of Bill Nye saves the world so as soon

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as that M goes up on Netflix people will

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be able to watch my episodes of that

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which is fun it was great to be involved

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as Phil Plait still involved the Phil

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Plait was involved in the first season

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but I don't think he was involved in

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season two and the first season I was

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not a correspondent I was just a guest

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on one panel like a random is actually

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about our alternative medicine so it was

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quite fun to it I was on a panel with

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this guy oh my god who was just the most

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incredible as person like he just

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believed in everything is hardly the

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things that are with the crystals so

540
00:22:11,279 --> 00:22:09,309
much with the crystal and I was like oh

541
00:22:12,989 --> 00:22:11,289
I don't even know this is hard to deal

542
00:22:15,060 --> 00:22:12,999
with you know it's TV you have all these

543
00:22:16,590 --> 00:22:15,070
parameters like squeeze everything in

544
00:22:18,060 --> 00:22:16,600
within a five-minute panel it's like

545
00:22:19,830 --> 00:22:18,070
there's so much to say I was just

546
00:22:22,529 --> 00:22:19,840
shaking my head the whole time but this

547
00:22:24,299 --> 00:22:22,539
season I actually had the opportunity to

548
00:22:25,529 --> 00:22:24,309
go out and do field pieces for them so

549
00:22:26,759 --> 00:22:25,539
it was a lot of fun I'm not allowed to

550
00:22:28,799 --> 00:22:26,769
talk about what they are but once they

551
00:22:30,330 --> 00:22:28,809
go live you'll be able to see me in that

552
00:22:32,099 --> 00:22:30,340
so we just wrapped on that I actually

553
00:22:34,499 --> 00:22:32,109
have a wrap party tomorrow night

554
00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:34,509
something that you've mentioned several

555
00:22:38,609 --> 00:22:36,970
times we talked about it's over dinner

556
00:22:41,279 --> 00:22:38,619
and you've also mentioned it in several

557
00:22:44,820 --> 00:22:41,289
interviews that you've done over the

558
00:22:47,999 --> 00:22:44,830
years and that is the that thought or

559
00:22:49,210 --> 00:22:48,009
dream of sometimes at some point writing

560
00:22:50,870 --> 00:22:49,220
a book

561
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:50,880
[Laughter]

562
00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:53,730
yeah well okay so one thing is we wrote

563
00:22:57,590 --> 00:22:55,410
a book the skeptics guide wrote a book

564
00:22:59,210 --> 00:22:57,600
and we've publicly announced it I'm

565
00:23:01,400 --> 00:22:59,220
allowed to talk about it

566
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:01,410
we've already submitted the main first

567
00:23:04,220 --> 00:23:02,850
draft and we're just waiting on the

568
00:23:06,350 --> 00:23:04,230
publishers to go through the motions of

569
00:23:09,890 --> 00:23:06,360
although the rewrites and things so at

570
00:23:11,900 --> 00:23:09,900
least with four other guys I have done a

571
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:11,910
bit of I mean granted Steve did like 90%

572
00:23:16,130 --> 00:23:14,850
of the work I'm sure he thought he'd

573
00:23:18,770 --> 00:23:16,140
fight me on that he would say it wasn't

574
00:23:20,330 --> 00:23:18,780
really 90% each of us wrote you know the

575
00:23:22,010 --> 00:23:20,340
chapters that we were assigned and and

576
00:23:24,140 --> 00:23:22,020
contributed but you know Steve he's such

577
00:23:24,500 --> 00:23:24,150
an overachiever so he did a lot of the

578
00:23:26,300 --> 00:23:24,510
work

579
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:26,310
it's definitely I'm assuming it's gonna

580
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:29,010
be by him with us you know what I mean

581
00:23:33,770 --> 00:23:30,450
is like yes it's captured by Steve

582
00:23:35,690 --> 00:23:33,780
Novello with four of us eventually maybe

583
00:23:37,340 --> 00:23:35,700
I'll write a book but nah God it's not

584
00:23:41,300 --> 00:23:37,350
gonna happen anytime soon also don't

585
00:23:43,490 --> 00:23:41,310
tell my literary agent you'd be thrilled

586
00:23:46,340 --> 00:23:43,500
to hear me say that um but you know I

587
00:23:48,050 --> 00:23:46,350
also don't know I have some ideas about

588
00:23:50,630 --> 00:23:48,060
what to write about but I think for a

589
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:50,640
lot of spoken with a lot of publishers

590
00:23:53,750 --> 00:23:52,770
who have asked me you know do you want

591
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:53,760
to write a book will you write a book

592
00:23:59,090 --> 00:23:55,890
can we work on a book together and a lot

593
00:24:00,830 --> 00:23:59,100
of them really want that pseudo memoir

594
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:00,840
like that's what they want for a lot of

595
00:24:05,630 --> 00:24:03,570
authors is this book that's sort of

596
00:24:06,980 --> 00:24:05,640
about their life but also about you know

597
00:24:08,750 --> 00:24:06,990
whether it's icon or whether it's

598
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:08,760
atheism or whether it's you know my

599
00:24:13,580 --> 00:24:10,770
experiences in psychology and I just

600
00:24:15,170 --> 00:24:13,590
feel like yeah I'm 33 I'm not a baby but

601
00:24:17,390 --> 00:24:15,180
I still feel like I'm too young to write

602
00:24:19,460 --> 00:24:17,400
a memoir like come on what the hell have

603
00:24:20,780 --> 00:24:19,470
I done I just feel like I need to wait a

604
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:20,790
little while until there's more to say

605
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:23,970
where do people find out more I mean I'm

606
00:24:27,530 --> 00:24:26,010
assuming that a significant proportion

607
00:24:29,450 --> 00:24:27,540
of the people listening already know who

608
00:24:31,460 --> 00:24:29,460
you are but maybe you could just say

609
00:24:32,930 --> 00:24:31,470
tell us about a few of the outlets where

610
00:24:34,430 --> 00:24:32,940
people can find you and listen to you

611
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:34,440
listen to you Oh shameless plug I'm

612
00:24:38,390 --> 00:24:37,050
really good at that so people who are

613
00:24:39,470 --> 00:24:38,400
listening right now probably know me

614
00:24:41,630 --> 00:24:39,480
from the skeptics guide to the universe

615
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:41,640
which is an incredible podcast which has

616
00:24:45,890 --> 00:24:43,770
been around for 11 maybe going on 12

617
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:45,900
years which has an insane listenership

618
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:49,650
and is a machine I also have my own

619
00:24:54,140 --> 00:24:51,930
podcast which I've been doing longer

620
00:24:55,790 --> 00:24:54,150
than I've been with us gu not longer

621
00:24:57,050 --> 00:24:55,800
than SGU has been going but much longer

622
00:24:59,570 --> 00:24:57,060
than I've been with this to you and it's

623
00:25:02,420 --> 00:24:59,580
still quite a small podcast and I would

624
00:25:03,869 --> 00:25:02,430
love for more people to listen to it so

625
00:25:08,549 --> 00:25:03,879
if you are interested in

626
00:25:09,989 --> 00:25:08,559
of a different approach talk nerdy with

627
00:25:11,819 --> 00:25:09,999
Cara Santa Maria that's what it's called

628
00:25:15,089 --> 00:25:11,829
it's a totally different podcast than

629
00:25:16,349 --> 00:25:15,099
SGO its long-form it's really

630
00:25:18,029 --> 00:25:16,359
conversational and it's just one-on-one

631
00:25:19,889 --> 00:25:18,039
interviews with interesting people

632
00:25:22,649 --> 00:25:19,899
mostly scientists sometimes atheists

633
00:25:24,719 --> 00:25:22,659
sometimes skeptics but mostly people

634
00:25:26,369 --> 00:25:24,729
with in the sciences so one on one for

635
00:25:28,919 --> 00:25:26,379
an hour long I dropped them every Monday

636
00:25:30,449 --> 00:25:28,929
so if you just subscribed on iTunes or

637
00:25:32,339 --> 00:25:30,459
you know any of the different podcast

638
00:25:33,989 --> 00:25:32,349
apps that you use it's called talk nerdy

639
00:25:35,609 --> 00:25:33,999
easy to find and then you can learn

640
00:25:37,379 --> 00:25:35,619
basically everything else by going to my

641
00:25:38,249 --> 00:25:37,389
website Cara Santa Maria comm you can

642
00:25:40,259 --> 00:25:38,259
link out to my Twitter and my facebook

643
00:25:40,829 --> 00:25:40,269
most everything is like at Cara Santa

644
00:25:42,599 --> 00:25:40,839
Maria

645
00:25:44,099 --> 00:25:42,609
but like Instagram I was late to the

646
00:25:46,319 --> 00:25:44,109
game so there's underscores in my name

647
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:46,329
somebody already had my name damn it and

648
00:25:50,249 --> 00:25:48,129
I think on Facebook I'm slash science

649
00:25:52,529 --> 00:25:50,259
Cara something like that but I I think

650
00:25:54,419 --> 00:25:52,539
I'm the only Cara Santa Maria that does

651
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:54,429
anything remotely related to science so

652
00:25:58,889 --> 00:25:55,690
I'm pretty easy to find

653
00:26:01,439 --> 00:25:58,899
that's very good so well Cara I believe

654
00:26:05,999 --> 00:26:01,449
actually there you record the your

655
00:26:10,859 --> 00:26:06,009
podcast talk nerdy from from the skeptic

656
00:26:13,439 --> 00:26:10,869
zones la studio it's - it's weird how

657
00:26:16,289 --> 00:26:13,449
like your studio is so adapted to my

658
00:26:17,999 --> 00:26:16,299
personal taste you know yeah we always

659
00:26:21,139 --> 00:26:18,009
we do that with every person we

660
00:26:23,430 --> 00:26:21,149
interview you know like dinosaurs

661
00:26:25,919 --> 00:26:23,440
somehow you have the lightsaber that the

662
00:26:28,769 --> 00:26:25,929
SU even have a dog here that looks

663
00:26:33,629 --> 00:26:28,779
exactly like your dog so bizarre yeah I

664
00:26:35,530 --> 00:26:33,639
mean I just I feel really at home thank

665
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:35,540
you very much thank you

666
00:26:50,580 --> 00:26:46,510
on Maynard kaamdar you welcome to Banga

667
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:50,590
Banga 39 39 episodes 39 events 39

668
00:26:54,490 --> 00:26:52,610
cataclysm errs with a show that

669
00:26:56,770 --> 00:26:54,500
challenges the government the god and

670
00:27:01,270 --> 00:26:56,780
your very self on today's show you'll

671
00:27:05,490 --> 00:27:01,280
hear Angela here make away all menacing

672
00:27:10,060 --> 00:27:08,500
and two more we hear from you well we

673
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:10,070
won't be talking about this you're a

674
00:27:29,710 --> 00:27:13,490
selfish arrogant

675
00:27:31,780 --> 00:27:29,720
Maynard calm Donna you are you and now

676
00:27:32,740 --> 00:27:31,790
direct from the cafe and Australia's

677
00:27:36,250 --> 00:27:32,750
Science Channel

678
00:27:39,220 --> 00:27:36,260
it's brouhaha science in less time that

679
00:27:43,530 --> 00:27:39,230
it takes to order a coffee with Casey

680
00:27:48,100 --> 00:27:46,330
good call ref you were right to end the

681
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:48,110
fight an award Floyd Mayweather a

682
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:50,690
technical knockout on Conor McGregor the

683
00:27:54,490 --> 00:27:52,490
decision has been really controversial

684
00:27:56,290 --> 00:27:54,500
but we're sure which corner of the ring

685
00:27:58,990 --> 00:27:56,300
we're in for a predictable reason

686
00:28:00,880 --> 00:27:59,000
science we look for evidence when we

687
00:28:02,500 --> 00:28:00,890
make our decisions and there's a lot of

688
00:28:05,470 --> 00:28:02,510
it out there showing that boxing gloves

689
00:28:08,500 --> 00:28:05,480
a dangerous Mayweather was raining hit

690
00:28:10,299 --> 00:28:08,510
upon hit upon hit on McGregor landing

691
00:28:13,210 --> 00:28:10,309
the full force of his punches on the

692
00:28:15,220 --> 00:28:13,220
Irishman skull if the men hadn't been

693
00:28:17,710 --> 00:28:15,230
wearing gloves they would have been more

694
00:28:20,980 --> 00:28:17,720
at risk of crack jaws lost teeth and

695
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:20,990
crucially broken fists but their risk of

696
00:28:25,660 --> 00:28:23,210
brain damage and a total knockout would

697
00:28:27,250 --> 00:28:25,670
have dropped dramatically fingers and

698
00:28:29,860 --> 00:28:27,260
Knuckles are going to give out long

699
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:29,870
before a skull does you just can train

700
00:28:34,090 --> 00:28:31,610
boys on someone before your hands give

701
00:28:36,130 --> 00:28:34,100
out bare knuckle boxing was a sport in

702
00:28:38,410 --> 00:28:36,140
the USA for a hundred years and there

703
00:28:40,299 --> 00:28:38,420
wasn't a single fatality but these days

704
00:28:42,430 --> 00:28:40,309
with gloves there are three or four

705
00:28:44,710 --> 00:28:42,440
deaths a year and about three out of

706
00:28:47,410 --> 00:28:44,720
every 20 professional fighters has

707
00:28:49,780 --> 00:28:47,420
permanent brain damage we're in no rush

708
00:28:54,999 --> 00:28:49,790
to see these stats get bigger and that's

709
00:29:39,649 --> 00:28:58,369
for more brouhaha and australian science

710
00:29:47,869 --> 00:29:44,060
IM a professor Oh what do you professor

711
00:29:50,180 --> 00:29:47,879
what do I profess I am a professor an

712
00:29:52,789 --> 00:29:50,190
adjunct associate professor of

713
00:29:53,899 --> 00:29:52,799
vertebrate paleontology at Flinders

714
00:29:56,749 --> 00:29:53,909
University

715
00:29:58,549 --> 00:29:56,759
now listeners will well remember over

716
00:30:00,830 --> 00:29:58,559
the years Paul we've had discussions on

717
00:30:03,739 --> 00:30:00,840
the skeptic zone you were until very

718
00:30:06,139 --> 00:30:03,749
recently the director of the Royal

719
00:30:08,749 --> 00:30:06,149
Institution in Adelaide now these are

720
00:30:09,950 --> 00:30:08,759
the fine people who bring us every week

721
00:30:12,340 --> 00:30:09,960
brouhaha

722
00:30:16,190 --> 00:30:12,350
but you've moved on yeah that's right

723
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:16,200
Richard look I I was director at the

724
00:30:20,090 --> 00:30:17,970
Royal Institution for six years and

725
00:30:24,710 --> 00:30:20,100
that's that's a good innings for a

726
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:24,720
director of anything and to be honest I

727
00:30:30,109 --> 00:30:27,450
had reached a point where I'd done more

728
00:30:31,879 --> 00:30:30,119
than I thought that I ever could for the

729
00:30:37,070 --> 00:30:31,889
institution we'd set up Australia's

730
00:30:38,810 --> 00:30:37,080
Science Channel and the future really

731
00:30:40,999 --> 00:30:38,820
required a different skill set a

732
00:30:43,099 --> 00:30:41,009
different set of eyes to take the

733
00:30:45,950 --> 00:30:43,109
institution in the future I recognised

734
00:30:48,580 --> 00:30:45,960
that the council recognized that and so

735
00:30:51,470 --> 00:30:48,590
it was it was an amicable and and a

736
00:30:53,539 --> 00:30:51,480
positive thing that's happened it was

737
00:30:56,479 --> 00:30:53,549
the time things do buy things evolve

738
00:30:57,889 --> 00:30:56,489
shall we say well you know the the boot

739
00:30:59,840 --> 00:30:57,899
on the other foot you would look across

740
00:31:01,519 --> 00:30:59,850
corporate Australia and it's littered

741
00:31:01,970 --> 00:31:01,529
with companies that are going down the

742
00:31:04,180 --> 00:31:01,980
gurgler

743
00:31:07,450 --> 00:31:04,190
because the management have

744
00:31:09,759 --> 00:31:07,460
long not recognized the limits of their

745
00:31:12,549 --> 00:31:09,769
own abilities and I do not want to be

746
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:12,559
measured in their ranks right so you

747
00:31:15,730 --> 00:31:14,450
know it was time to get out it was time

748
00:31:19,779 --> 00:31:15,740
to move on

749
00:31:22,419 --> 00:31:19,789
and look that Australia Science Channel

750
00:31:24,789 --> 00:31:22,429
and the Royal Institution are going from

751
00:31:26,169 --> 00:31:24,799
strength to strength and indeed I'm

752
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:26,179
going from strength to strength as well

753
00:31:30,820 --> 00:31:29,210
well it's because of you of course for

754
00:31:34,149 --> 00:31:30,830
many years on the sceptic zone we were

755
00:31:35,619 --> 00:31:34,159
running a week in science which was a at

756
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:35,629
heart I guess it was a video

757
00:31:39,909 --> 00:31:37,970
presentation but it certainly worked his

758
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:39,919
audio and I would use the audio from

759
00:31:44,009 --> 00:31:41,570
that to present on the skeptic zone and

760
00:31:46,749 --> 00:31:44,019
more recently brouhaha which was sort of

761
00:31:49,299 --> 00:31:46,759
sprang from a week in science didn't him

762
00:31:53,110 --> 00:31:49,309
now you did right there Richard you know

763
00:31:57,669 --> 00:31:53,120
there was a natural evolution from a

764
00:32:00,009 --> 00:31:57,679
week in science to brouhaha and I'm I'm

765
00:32:03,850 --> 00:32:00,019
actually proud of the fact that a week

766
00:32:06,519 --> 00:32:03,860
in science was my idea it was something

767
00:32:10,090 --> 00:32:06,529
that I bought into the Royal Institution

768
00:32:11,619 --> 00:32:10,100
and said the guys on the on the floor

769
00:32:15,100 --> 00:32:11,629
look this is something that we should be

770
00:32:18,460 --> 00:32:15,110
doing and it evolved into brouhaha which

771
00:32:21,100 --> 00:32:18,470
was actually the other direction it was

772
00:32:23,830 --> 00:32:21,110
the guys on the ground saying actually

773
00:32:25,869 --> 00:32:23,840
we want to try and do this and it was it

774
00:32:28,450 --> 00:32:25,879
was my privilege as the director to say

775
00:32:30,460 --> 00:32:28,460
okay have a crack at it and about a

776
00:32:33,369 --> 00:32:30,470
month ago we interviewed Casey Harrigan

777
00:32:36,549 --> 00:32:33,379
and she was explaining to us that it's

778
00:32:38,619 --> 00:32:36,559
it's they write it and then they present

779
00:32:40,690 --> 00:32:38,629
it to the camera and then it's uploaded

780
00:32:42,340 --> 00:32:40,700
and it's you know it's about a minute

781
00:32:45,220 --> 00:32:42,350
minute and a half of little science

782
00:32:48,490 --> 00:32:45,230
bytes isn't it well you know in this day

783
00:32:50,379 --> 00:32:48,500
and age when so much is consumed online

784
00:32:53,230 --> 00:32:50,389
a minute and a half is a good length of

785
00:32:56,769 --> 00:32:53,240
time it's not bad to have anything you

786
00:33:00,629 --> 00:32:56,779
know and and when you look at the stats

787
00:33:03,399 --> 00:33:00,639
of what people are doing online if you

788
00:33:06,700 --> 00:33:03,409
you pull up the stats for any one month

789
00:33:09,730 --> 00:33:06,710
in social media it's about one third

790
00:33:12,730 --> 00:33:09,740
Facebook it's about one third all of the

791
00:33:15,249 --> 00:33:12,740
other social media platforms the missing

792
00:33:17,010 --> 00:33:15,259
third is YouTube and that's video only

793
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:17,020
yeah and so if

794
00:33:23,220 --> 00:33:21,010
you want to be effective in social media

795
00:33:28,070 --> 00:33:23,230
you really ought to be in that video

796
00:33:30,900 --> 00:33:28,080
space and most of those people who are

797
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:30,910
interacting with YouTube and interacting

798
00:33:37,260 --> 00:33:34,650
with videos in that social media space

799
00:33:39,540 --> 00:33:37,270
they're doing it on their phones they're

800
00:33:42,300 --> 00:33:39,550
doing incidental to everything else in

801
00:33:45,300 --> 00:33:42,310
their lives they don't want to be nailed

802
00:33:46,500 --> 00:33:45,310
down for an hour watching documentaries

803
00:33:49,350 --> 00:33:46,510
I don't want to be there for 20 minutes

804
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:49,360
that minute and a half that's good

805
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:51,970
one message get in there get out yeah

806
00:33:56,370 --> 00:33:53,530
that's the way it's going to work and

807
00:33:57,810 --> 00:33:56,380
and it's not just one bruja hire every

808
00:34:00,150 --> 00:33:57,820
week although on the skeptics and we

809
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:00,160
play one but it can sometimes be two or

810
00:34:03,900 --> 00:34:01,930
three or four and that's why I encourage

811
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:03,910
our listeners to go to the channel

812
00:34:07,950 --> 00:34:06,010
itself to go to Australia science TV

813
00:34:10,590 --> 00:34:07,960
where they can see much more than just

814
00:34:13,350 --> 00:34:10,600
brouhaha and there again and giving

815
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:13,360
credit to you all that revolution that

816
00:34:17,790 --> 00:34:15,370
the Royal Institution came about under

817
00:34:20,870 --> 00:34:17,800
your directorship yet Australia's

818
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:20,880
Science Channel it's a unique Beast and

819
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:24,130
the best description that I've heard of

820
00:34:32,340 --> 00:34:27,970
it is it's the farmers market for

821
00:34:35,370 --> 00:34:32,350
science communication in that you know a

822
00:34:38,610 --> 00:34:35,380
researcher can put out their own videos

823
00:34:40,889 --> 00:34:38,620
about their research much like a farmer

824
00:34:43,919 --> 00:34:40,899
can have a roadside stool and hope to

825
00:34:46,950 --> 00:34:43,929
capture passing traffic ah but what you

826
00:34:49,380 --> 00:34:46,960
can also do is you can take your produce

827
00:34:52,710 --> 00:34:49,390
to a central market like Australia's

828
00:34:54,659 --> 00:34:52,720
Science Channel and yes your video will

829
00:34:58,050 --> 00:34:54,669
be there alongside loads of other

830
00:35:01,440 --> 00:34:58,060
researchers but there is a much larger

831
00:35:07,050 --> 00:35:01,450
audience there to consume it yeah and I

832
00:35:09,660 --> 00:35:07,060
think that the the ideological Rubicon

833
00:35:12,750 --> 00:35:09,670
that we crossed with Australia's Science

834
00:35:15,930 --> 00:35:12,760
Channel is we took the communication of

835
00:35:18,690 --> 00:35:15,940
science directly from the researchers to

836
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:18,700
the audience if researchers can make

837
00:35:23,490 --> 00:35:21,610
their own story they can post it up on

838
00:35:26,310 --> 00:35:23,500
Australia's Science Channel and tell the

839
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:26,320
world about it yeah you know all of my

840
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:28,970
professional career as a science really

841
00:35:33,940 --> 00:35:32,570
you Nicator I've been at the ABC I've

842
00:35:36,250 --> 00:35:33,950
been at the Royal Institution

843
00:35:39,849 --> 00:35:36,260
particularly at the ABC I was a

844
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:39,859
journalist now I don't wish to denigrate

845
00:35:45,310 --> 00:35:42,650
that particular profession but in the

846
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:45,320
overall flow of ideas if anything I got

847
00:35:51,730 --> 00:35:47,690
in the way because when a researcher

848
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:51,740
told me their story it became my story

849
00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:54,770
and I had to tell that story in a

850
00:36:01,780 --> 00:35:57,770
particular way to appeal to a bigger

851
00:36:04,330 --> 00:36:01,790
audience yeah to meet metrics that were

852
00:36:06,940 --> 00:36:04,340
imposed by the organization which meant

853
00:36:11,620 --> 00:36:06,950
that the story the researcher wanted to

854
00:36:13,830 --> 00:36:11,630
tell was no longer in play and by being

855
00:36:18,609 --> 00:36:13,840
able to take the journalist out of that

856
00:36:20,349 --> 00:36:18,619
communication being able to create this

857
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:20,359
conjurer where you could go straight

858
00:36:27,250 --> 00:36:23,930
from the researcher to the world that I

859
00:36:30,609 --> 00:36:27,260
think is probably the the biggest

860
00:36:32,109 --> 00:36:30,619
contribution I've made to science it's

861
00:36:34,839 --> 00:36:32,119
happening it's happening in such an

862
00:36:36,690 --> 00:36:34,849
incredible rate but I guess and before

863
00:36:40,210 --> 00:36:36,700
we move on to what you're doing now

864
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:40,220
there is that grey area where yes

865
00:36:44,890 --> 00:36:42,290
anybody you know even a fool like me you

866
00:36:47,020 --> 00:36:44,900
can pick up a phone and or an instrument

867
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:47,030
and make a podcast or the guy down the

868
00:36:50,849 --> 00:36:49,010
street or whatever there's that

869
00:36:53,530 --> 00:36:50,859
interesting gray area well that's good

870
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:53,540
but you have to make it palatable

871
00:36:59,260 --> 00:36:56,810
presentable entertaining for the for the

872
00:37:02,260 --> 00:36:59,270
audience somewhat you're dead right if

873
00:37:04,450 --> 00:37:02,270
there are people researchers and

874
00:37:06,010 --> 00:37:04,460
otherwise that should never be given an

875
00:37:10,089 --> 00:37:06,020
opportunity to stand in front of a

876
00:37:11,829 --> 00:37:10,099
camera or a microphone and I think we

877
00:37:14,970 --> 00:37:11,839
all know who I'm talking about you know

878
00:37:19,810 --> 00:37:14,980
it's that guy in the lab down the corner

879
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:19,820
but then in this day and age as you've

880
00:37:26,650 --> 00:37:23,450
just pointed out the technology is there

881
00:37:29,170 --> 00:37:26,660
yeah and the environment is there to

882
00:37:31,450 --> 00:37:29,180
allow people that want to try and tell

883
00:37:33,970 --> 00:37:31,460
their own story to the world to do it to

884
00:37:37,390 --> 00:37:33,980
do it all they need is a bit of training

885
00:37:39,940 --> 00:37:37,400
yeah and that's where my new life now

886
00:37:41,650 --> 00:37:39,950
this is interesting very excited to hear

887
00:37:42,740 --> 00:37:41,660
about this I mean you had wonderful

888
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:42,750
success at the Abbey

889
00:37:46,970 --> 00:37:44,850
see when you're on on-air science

890
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:46,980
presenter and of course who many people

891
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:49,290
remember you from that and it goes

892
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:50,970
without saying that the wonderful things

893
00:37:54,050 --> 00:37:52,770
you did at the Royal Institution but now

894
00:37:54,710 --> 00:37:54,060
you've moved on to a very interesting

895
00:37:58,070 --> 00:37:54,720
field

896
00:38:02,450 --> 00:37:58,080
yeah well I've set my own company in

897
00:38:06,290 --> 00:38:02,460
setting up the the the Australia Science

898
00:38:08,750 --> 00:38:06,300
Channel it's a it's a wonderful model

899
00:38:12,140 --> 00:38:08,760
okay we get researchers to tell our

900
00:38:14,570 --> 00:38:12,150
stories and if their universities or

901
00:38:17,210 --> 00:38:14,580
their institutions members of the Royal

902
00:38:18,950 --> 00:38:17,220
Institution then we can put it straight

903
00:38:19,700 --> 00:38:18,960
up through Australia's Science Channel

904
00:38:23,330 --> 00:38:19,710
to the world

905
00:38:24,830 --> 00:38:23,340
nice little conduit of information if

906
00:38:26,450 --> 00:38:24,840
there was a weak link in the chain it

907
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:26,460
was that there's a lot of researchers

908
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:28,530
out there who simply don't know how to

909
00:38:34,370 --> 00:38:32,610
tell their story who've been exposed to

910
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:34,380
social media training that terrifies

911
00:38:39,110 --> 00:38:36,210
them yeah you know because they say

912
00:38:41,030 --> 00:38:39,120
things like yes you you only have to

913
00:38:43,730 --> 00:38:41,040
spend two hours a week on LinkedIn so

914
00:38:46,340 --> 00:38:43,740
it's like what researcher has got two

915
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:46,350
hours of their life a week to devote to

916
00:38:51,260 --> 00:38:48,290
linkedin let alone all the other stuff

917
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:51,270
there's been all this around social

918
00:38:59,540 --> 00:38:55,650
media training and there's been a whole

919
00:39:02,750 --> 00:38:59,550
load of understanding about how to use

920
00:39:05,930 --> 00:39:02,760
the modern technology you've mastered it

921
00:39:08,030 --> 00:39:05,940
brilliantly as this is a living example

922
00:39:11,690 --> 00:39:08,040
of what we're doing right now I guess so

923
00:39:15,170 --> 00:39:11,700
you know I mean this when you consider

924
00:39:18,350 --> 00:39:15,180
that what we're doing now with just your

925
00:39:21,830 --> 00:39:18,360
phone with a rather silly sock over

926
00:39:24,860 --> 00:39:21,840
there yes you know back in the day when

927
00:39:27,350 --> 00:39:24,870
I started on radio to produce something

928
00:39:29,030 --> 00:39:27,360
similar took thousands of dollars worth

929
00:39:32,690 --> 00:39:29,040
of equipment of course and years of

930
00:39:35,060 --> 00:39:32,700
training yes yes we can now do that yeah

931
00:39:37,100 --> 00:39:35,070
yeah anybody who's got a mobile phone

932
00:39:39,530 --> 00:39:37,110
can actually do what we're doing at the

933
00:39:42,170 --> 00:39:39,540
moment anybody who's got a mobile phone

934
00:39:44,630 --> 00:39:42,180
and knows how to use it can produce a

935
00:39:47,020 --> 00:39:44,640
mini documentary you go to Australia's

936
00:39:50,150 --> 00:39:47,030
Science Channel and you will see

937
00:39:53,690 --> 00:39:50,160
documentaries that I have produced shot

938
00:39:55,420 --> 00:39:53,700
and saw them completely edited all on my

939
00:39:59,349 --> 00:39:55,430
mobile phone

940
00:40:01,480 --> 00:39:59,359
and how do we teach those skills to

941
00:40:04,510 --> 00:40:01,490
those researchers who want to tell the

942
00:40:05,410 --> 00:40:04,520
world about their research and it goes

943
00:40:08,980 --> 00:40:05,420
beyond that

944
00:40:11,319 --> 00:40:08,990
it's not just the kind of ego-driven I

945
00:40:14,079 --> 00:40:11,329
want to tell my story to the world Here

946
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:14,089
I am ladies and gentlemen no it's it's

947
00:40:19,599 --> 00:40:15,890
beyond that because in this day and age

948
00:40:23,490 --> 00:40:19,609
a measure of your outreach and your

949
00:40:25,510 --> 00:40:23,500
engagement as a researcher is a strong

950
00:40:29,290 --> 00:40:25,520
indicator that you're gonna get your

951
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:29,300
next grant interesting barley right out

952
00:40:36,490 --> 00:40:32,450
of your grant funding proposal yeah it

953
00:40:39,609 --> 00:40:36,500
is 10% of IRC grants is based around

954
00:40:42,460 --> 00:40:39,619
outreach and engagement so what we're

955
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:42,470
talking about isn't marketing it's not

956
00:40:46,900 --> 00:40:44,930
showmanship around your research it's

957
00:40:49,420 --> 00:40:46,910
your professional development as a

958
00:40:51,220 --> 00:40:49,430
researcher to get out there and tell

959
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:51,230
your story in the most effective ways

960
00:40:56,650 --> 00:40:54,410
it's not difficult and my business now

961
00:40:58,750 --> 00:40:56,660
is I can show you how to do it

962
00:41:02,200 --> 00:40:58,760
Wow there you're absolutely right I mean

963
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:02,210
I just I don't know how this little

964
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:05,210
sound but I've been doing multimedia for

965
00:41:09,370 --> 00:41:07,010
many many many years in the podcast now

966
00:41:10,900 --> 00:41:09,380
for nearly 10 years so it's a sec I

967
00:41:13,870 --> 00:41:10,910
don't give it a second thought of more

968
00:41:15,910 --> 00:41:13,880
but for the scientists out there in her

969
00:41:18,549 --> 00:41:15,920
laboratory and think I need to get this

970
00:41:20,380 --> 00:41:18,559
message out and doesn't know how to do

971
00:41:22,270 --> 00:41:20,390
the video editing or the audio editing

972
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:22,280
or to make this and this is where you

973
00:41:27,819 --> 00:41:24,530
can help and it's not difficult because

974
00:41:30,430 --> 00:41:27,829
you know if you can write a paper in a

975
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:30,440
peer-reviewed journal all you need to do

976
00:41:35,799 --> 00:41:33,770
is know how to put some adjectives back

977
00:41:37,599 --> 00:41:35,809
in there in the right places and you've

978
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:37,609
got a blog yeah yeah and if you've got a

979
00:41:42,549 --> 00:41:40,130
blog and you know how to read it into

980
00:41:45,730 --> 00:41:42,559
your phone you've got a podcast and if

981
00:41:47,950 --> 00:41:45,740
you have gotten as far as a podcast then

982
00:41:49,599 --> 00:41:47,960
you've got a story and you can simply

983
00:41:51,849 --> 00:41:49,609
turn the video camera on your phone and

984
00:41:54,490 --> 00:41:51,859
next thing you've got a video blog you

985
00:41:57,250 --> 00:41:54,500
know oh we've got all we have to do is

986
00:41:59,410 --> 00:41:57,260
show people how to do this and and then

987
00:42:01,000 --> 00:41:59,420
we will open that conduit and that's

988
00:42:03,039 --> 00:42:01,010
what you want to do yeah exactly

989
00:42:07,720 --> 00:42:03,049
please tell us more about your venture

990
00:42:11,020 --> 00:42:07,730
well what I actually wanted to

991
00:42:13,900 --> 00:42:11,030
- also throw in his and this will be of

992
00:42:17,290 --> 00:42:13,910
interest to a lot of your listeners is I

993
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:17,300
have recently been made an ambassador

994
00:42:24,450 --> 00:42:20,930
for the National Secular Lobby now this

995
00:42:28,329 --> 00:42:24,460
is a new group that has been raised

996
00:42:31,329 --> 00:42:28,339
largely in opposition to groups like the

997
00:42:34,450 --> 00:42:31,339
Australian Christian Lobby in the US in

998
00:42:37,270 --> 00:42:34,460
the Australian political landscape there

999
00:42:39,970 --> 00:42:37,280
are a number of lobby groups that will

1000
00:42:42,339 --> 00:42:39,980
put non-secular positions will put

1001
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:42,349
religious positions out there yeah and

1002
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:44,810
they're largely unchallenged who's out

1003
00:42:48,849 --> 00:42:45,170
there

1004
00:42:51,339 --> 00:42:48,859
saying this is actually a secular

1005
00:42:53,500 --> 00:42:51,349
country right these are the principles

1006
00:42:58,690 --> 00:42:53,510
that we were founded on we were not

1007
00:42:59,770 --> 00:42:58,700
founded on a principle of freedom of

1008
00:43:01,930 --> 00:42:59,780
religion

1009
00:43:05,500 --> 00:43:01,940
we were actually founded on a principle

1010
00:43:08,470 --> 00:43:05,510
of freedom from religion because you

1011
00:43:10,270 --> 00:43:08,480
didn't want the Catholics interfering

1012
00:43:11,620 --> 00:43:10,280
with the Anglicans and you didn't want

1013
00:43:13,329 --> 00:43:11,630
the Anglicans and the Catholics

1014
00:43:14,109 --> 00:43:13,339
interfering with the Baptist's and so on

1015
00:43:17,589 --> 00:43:14,119
and so forth

1016
00:43:20,829 --> 00:43:17,599
we had the principle enshrined in our

1017
00:43:23,380 --> 00:43:20,839
society of a secular society yeah which

1018
00:43:27,250 --> 00:43:23,390
is about freedom from religion yeah

1019
00:43:31,210 --> 00:43:27,260
freedom of religion yeah and so to raise

1020
00:43:34,059 --> 00:43:31,220
a voice to that to say I don't care what

1021
00:43:36,910 --> 00:43:34,069
the hell you want to believe at the

1022
00:43:39,930 --> 00:43:36,920
moment in Australian society you can

1023
00:43:43,420 --> 00:43:39,940
believe something as crazy as

1024
00:43:47,319 --> 00:43:43,430
Scientology mm-hm and still get a tax

1025
00:43:48,849 --> 00:43:47,329
break for doing it yeah that's not the

1026
00:43:50,980 --> 00:43:48,859
principle that we want to address up

1027
00:43:54,309 --> 00:43:50,990
front I don't care what you want to

1028
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:54,319
believe that's fine but you do not have

1029
00:43:59,440 --> 00:43:57,050
the right to inflict that right a belief

1030
00:44:02,020 --> 00:43:59,450
system and the values from that belief

1031
00:44:04,690 --> 00:44:02,030
system or anybody else that's what a

1032
00:44:07,300 --> 00:44:04,700
secular society is all about each to

1033
00:44:10,930 --> 00:44:07,310
their own right and so you know I'm

1034
00:44:15,490 --> 00:44:10,940
proud to be a an ambassador for the the

1035
00:44:17,319 --> 00:44:15,500
national secular Lobby simply to get out

1036
00:44:19,089 --> 00:44:17,329
there and put that message out there I

1037
00:44:20,460 --> 00:44:19,099
don't care what you want what you

1038
00:44:23,970 --> 00:44:20,470
believe you

1039
00:44:26,190 --> 00:44:23,980
must respect the right of everybody else

1040
00:44:28,020 --> 00:44:26,200
to believe what they want to or believe

1041
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:28,030
nothing at all always I don't wish to if

1042
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:29,770
you so wish to yeah so you've got you've

1043
00:44:33,330 --> 00:44:31,930
got a couple of fire and what know

1044
00:44:35,099 --> 00:44:33,340
you've got a couple of what's the

1045
00:44:36,870 --> 00:44:35,109
expression ions in fire eyes in the

1046
00:44:39,330 --> 00:44:36,880
fires yeah at the moment yeah yeah and

1047
00:44:40,849 --> 00:44:39,340
how can people discover more about these

1048
00:44:44,370 --> 00:44:40,859
ions in your fire

1049
00:44:46,020 --> 00:44:44,380
let's see Google National Secular Lobby

1050
00:44:48,450 --> 00:44:46,030
and that will tell you more about that

1051
00:44:51,870 --> 00:44:48,460
and if you're interested in what I'm up

1052
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:51,880
to with media engagement then media

1053
00:44:57,330 --> 00:44:55,210
engagement services kaamdar you I know

1054
00:45:00,359 --> 00:44:57,340
it's a mouthful but if you think of the

1055
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:00,369
acronym media engagement services mess

1056
00:45:04,230 --> 00:45:02,170
if anyone's gonna be involved in the

1057
00:45:05,730 --> 00:45:04,240
mess it's gonna be me you never forget

1058
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:05,740
that well you haven't been involved in a

1059
00:45:09,630 --> 00:45:07,810
myth surf professor paul willis you've

1060
00:45:13,140 --> 00:45:09,640
gone from success to success and people

1061
00:45:15,690 --> 00:45:13,150
if you want to get some really seriously

1062
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:15,700
good advice about your professional

1063
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:18,130
engagement especially in social networks

1064
00:45:22,260 --> 00:45:20,650
with video and media and audio quite

1065
00:45:24,570 --> 00:45:22,270
possibly then i can't recommend

1066
00:45:27,240 --> 00:45:24,580
professor paul willis highly enough paul

1067
00:45:29,220 --> 00:45:27,250
we've known each other for well I think

1068
00:45:31,410 --> 00:45:29,230
the last millennium and last night

1069
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:31,420
coming up to 20 years ya old friend yeah

1070
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:33,970
and it's really wonderful to catch up

1071
00:45:37,230 --> 00:45:35,770
with you and I trust we can see you back

1072
00:45:39,270 --> 00:45:37,240
here in Sydney in the not-too-distant

1073
00:45:44,370 --> 00:45:39,280
future and looking forward to it and

1074
00:45:44,380 --> 00:45:48,750
[Music]

1075
00:45:54,190 --> 00:45:52,000
it never ends a friend starts talking

1076
00:45:55,780 --> 00:45:54,200
about his new Reiki Master and someone

1077
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else just posted about another

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all-natural cancer cure that they don't

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want you to know about skeptics we

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dedicate a lot of time trying to protect

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those around us but there's a way that

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be educating the world in your sleep

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to find out more email us at GS o w team

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at gmail.com guerrilla skepticism the

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time is now music by bensound.com it's

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the my name is Frank hello Frank and

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where are you from from the north end of

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the Gold Coast in Brisbane okay so you

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haven't had to come from too far away

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and what's brought you here today well

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the event today we saw the emails from

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bin tell about the starstuff convention

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and it's very close to us and sound like

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an interesting venue and place to visit

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and what's your background do you have a

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background in science per se or just an

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interest in science I've got a technical

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background but I've always been

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interested interested in science and

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astronomy and I'm part of a group called

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Leicester Aniki

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we just have star parties every month oh

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really

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yeah about 60 or 70 you have us made

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every month one of west side of Brisbane

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the other side of BOE desert we set up

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our telescopes we do Astro photography

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or visual observations and wide field

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and a bit of a mixture okay

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have different types of telescope setups

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and can people find you on facebook

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Astro Aniki look up Astro Aniki on

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Facebook and just like our page and it's

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not a club as such as this we just meet

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together and nothing fancy if you you

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know like like going out and having fun

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and we'll show people how to set up

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equipment if they have a look up to see

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what equipments around and if they want

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to get into it sounds great and and so

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you're open to having some more members

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like your page and perhaps join you sure

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yeah I'm actually called there oh I've

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got a little Facebook page page called

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astrophotography boy Franchitti so I

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take some photos yeah so you might if

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you find esterday photography boy

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Franchitti you'll see some of my photos

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there's nothing great but you know I try

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to improve as I go along

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yeah I can take a good selfie with my

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with my smartphone that's about as far

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as I can take better photos of deep

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space than my phone for some reason I

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like terrible shots of my phone but I'm

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pretty good you know taking photos of

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00:49:05,580 --> 00:49:02,950
the sky oh wow so you must have really

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00:49:08,340 --> 00:49:05,590
enjoyed the talk that we just had it was

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very good yes he's a brilliant Matt Jake

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brilliant photography it's out it's more

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at work you know for me it was just just

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so in the I think they set up and the

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time - yeah the setup I'm in preparation

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for all these shots must be going

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brilliant Chicot mm-hmm I was speaking

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00:49:32,210 --> 00:49:28,660
with Dylan Dylan that's Dylan I was

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talking about Mark G and he's amazing

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astrophotography saying how when I first

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spoke with you and you said almost the

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same thing that marks it on just on the

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stage when you got into it you became a

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little bit obsessive you're looking at

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the the you know almost infinite view of

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the observable universe it's how's that

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you know not addicting it makes it feel

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very small and very insignificant but

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also pretty good at same time yes that's

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right abrading really you're busy get on

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with your stuff see you inside in a

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minute okay well thank you so much thank

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you - thank you for joining us on the

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skeptics Island if you want to find out

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more about Astro do you just go to

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Facebook and

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[Music]

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hi this is Ben Radford and this is

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Pascual Romero from the squaring the

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strange podcast every week my co-host

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and I cast a skeptical eye on a

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different topic monsters ghosts demons

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mysteries and even current events are

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dissected and discussed with a fun

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unscripted and skeptical take that

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00:50:49,620 --> 00:50:47,050
you're sure to enjoy find this is

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squirting strange calm iTunes or on your

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[Music]

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00:51:10,300 --> 00:51:06,040
here is an update to a story we brought

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00:51:12,970 --> 00:51:10,310
you last week about the rogue or he's

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been labeled rogue in the media rogue

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doctor dr. John piece who as you will

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00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:21,760
recall last week was recorded on video

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at a VAX turd screening saying or almost

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boasting how he helped parents dodge

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immunization for their children

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this update comes to us amongst other

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00:51:42,210 --> 00:51:39,590
sources from the Herald Sun Herald son

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Tom DeLay you links in the show notes

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written by Grant MacArthur and Lucy van

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00:51:53,260 --> 00:51:49,130
de Berg published on August 31 rogue

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Mitchum dr. John piece to stop treating

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patients hundreds of children with

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immunization exemptions may be booted

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from kindergartens and child care or

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forced to have the shots

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if those exemptions are found to be

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invalid or to have been granted by a

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suspect doctor state and federal health

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00:52:16,870 --> 00:52:14,270
authorities are reviewing the validity

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of vaccination exemptions overseen by a

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group of Melbourne general practitioners

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allegedly involved in an anti

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vaccination cell The Herald Sun has

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confirmed Victoria's Department of

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Health and Department of Education is

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investigating exemptions granted by

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controversial mitchum GP doctor john

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00:52:42,610 --> 00:52:39,020
pease who on thursday agreed to stop

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00:52:46,450 --> 00:52:42,620
treating patients on thursday dr. Pease

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00:52:50,350 --> 00:52:46,460
entered into a legally binding agreement

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not to practice dr. pieces undertaking

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is an interim measure while

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00:52:56,860 --> 00:52:54,530
investigations continue if he breaches

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the undertaking he will be subject to

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regulatory action and that update comes

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00:53:06,720 --> 00:53:03,230
to us from The Herald Sun by Grant

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MacArthur and Lucie Vanderburgh

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[Music]

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now we bring you a story that was only

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brought to my attention by our reporter

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00:53:21,770 --> 00:53:19,079
raw sceptic Heidi Robinson and I quote

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00:53:27,260 --> 00:53:21,780
from the website of the Sydney Morning

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00:53:30,260 --> 00:53:27,270
Herald wws MH comma au written by

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Stephanie peddling published on August

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00:53:38,359 --> 00:53:35,819
31 world's number-one anti-vaxxer ken

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heck and lively denied entry to

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00:53:44,299 --> 00:53:41,550
Australia the self-proclaimed quote

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00:53:47,270 --> 00:53:44,309
world's number-one anti-vaxxer end quote

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00:53:49,700 --> 00:53:47,280
has been denied permission to visit

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00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:49,710
Australia Immigration Minister Peter

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00:53:54,650 --> 00:53:52,170
Dutton said on Thursday kent heck and

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00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:54,660
lively would not be able to tour

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australia later this year as part of an

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international campaign calling for a

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pause in childhood vaccinations quote

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we're not going to allow him to come

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here end quote mr. Dutton told Sydney

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radio station to G be quote these people

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who are telling parents that their kids

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shouldn't be vaccinated are dangerous we

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00:54:20,750 --> 00:54:18,660
have been very careful in having a look

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00:54:23,450 --> 00:54:20,760
right through this particular case and

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00:54:26,089 --> 00:54:23,460
it's clear to me that it's not in our

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national interest that he should come

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00:54:31,370 --> 00:54:28,950
here and quote mr. heck and lively who

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00:54:34,039 --> 00:54:31,380
lives in Northern California contributes

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00:54:37,039 --> 00:54:34,049
to a website that claims autism is quote

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00:54:39,859 --> 00:54:37,049
an environmentally induced illness that

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is treatable and that children can

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recover end quote he also has links to

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Andrew Wakefield the disgraced former

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doctor who's debunked study who was

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central to the anti-vaccination movement

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and has since gone on to make the film

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vast the film has been banned by several

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film festivals but has been shown in

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secret locations around Australia and as

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00:55:05,569 --> 00:55:03,089
an aside of course skeptics own fans

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00:55:08,599 --> 00:55:05,579
will be familiar with this ongoing story

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and its ramifications over the last

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month or so we read on immigration

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officials recently banned British

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campaigner Polly Tommy and US campaigner

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Susan Humphreys from entering the

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country for three years after the pair

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to Australia with VAX which alleges

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there is a link between measles mumps

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and rubella vaccine and autism the

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opposition that is the opposition party

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here in Australia in the Federalist fear

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the opposition had written to mr. Dutton

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requesting mr. Hickam Lively's

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application for a visa be denied as

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another aside looks like the government

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and the opposition parties are of one

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00:55:50,910 --> 00:55:48,369
voice on this issue we read on quote

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00:55:53,790 --> 00:55:50,920
dangerous misinformation peddled by anti

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00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:53,800
vaccination proponents should never take

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the place of proven scientific advice

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and we have a responsibility to make

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sure parents are getting the right

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00:56:05,460 --> 00:56:03,099
message end quote the opposition's

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health spokeswoman Catherine King said

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on Thursday quote the fight against

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vaccination misinformation is continuous

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earlier this month we saw two anti

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vaccination advocates tour the country

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and show a film that wrongly claims a

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link between measles mumps and rubella

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vaccine and autism

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while our immunization program has

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historically been effective there is

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growing evidence that anti vaccination

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advocates and their political allies

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like Pauline Hanson and the One Nation

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00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:36,490
Party are now undermining our success as

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shown by the doubling of measles cases

1304
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between 2013 and 2014 end quote and I

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00:56:48,630 --> 00:56:45,460
noticed this story is making news around

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00:56:52,620 --> 00:56:48,640
the world and I'm just scanning now the

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BBC BBC comm Kent eken lively US

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00:56:57,839 --> 00:56:55,480
anti-vaxxer denied Australian visa reads

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00:57:00,560 --> 00:56:57,849
the headline which covers more or less

1310
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:00,570
the the same story The Herald reported

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00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:05,530
as ever we shall keep you updated as to

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[Music]

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tickets are now available for skeptic on

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the Australian skeptics thirty-third

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National Convention this will be held on

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the 18th and 19th of November in Sydney

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Australia speakers include former

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naturopath and Brit Hermes Jason Silva

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00:57:52,390 --> 00:57:48,859
award-winning journalist Kathy marks

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Captain disillusion dr. Viren Sharma

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00:57:59,200 --> 00:57:56,240
Laurence lung dr. Brad Makai Sonia

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00:58:02,200 --> 00:57:59,210
Pemberton dr. Karl crystal disky and

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00:58:07,329 --> 00:58:02,210
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00:58:14,190 --> 00:58:07,339
Santa Maria for more information and to

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buy your tickets head to WWE a U or W W

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skeptics calm

1327
00:58:39,359 --> 00:58:37,200
thank you for listening to the skeptic

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00:58:40,859 --> 00:58:39,369
zone this week and thank you once again

1329
00:58:43,230 --> 00:58:40,869
to all those wonderful people who

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00:58:47,060 --> 00:58:43,240
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00:58:49,770 --> 00:58:47,070
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00:58:53,010 --> 00:58:49,780
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00:58:54,300 --> 00:58:53,020
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00:58:57,210 --> 00:58:54,310
reporters are grateful for your

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now in its ninth year next year we'll be

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00:59:04,859 --> 00:59:02,800
celebrating ten years and it just

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00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:04,869
occurred to me but right now as I'm

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00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:07,090
recording this dragon continent in

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Atlanta Georgia is underway and I'm

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00:59:13,380 --> 00:59:11,710
looking at all the posts coming through

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about that all my friends are there or

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many of my friends of course very

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jealous wish I was there because it was

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Dragon Con in Atlanta in 2008 2008 that

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the skeptic zone was launched all those

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years ago and maybe maybe it would be

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appropriate to be there for the 10-year

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anniversary

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I'll see it's not always easy as you can

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appreciate to just go over to these

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places especially from Sydney Australia

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00:59:45,980 --> 00:59:41,530
that's quite a long way but you know

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00:59:48,390 --> 00:59:45,990
what that's a year away so we'll see a

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big thank you to the students and staff

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of endeavour sports high school here in

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Sydney main art and I were there Oh a

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couple of days ago

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to perform the mystery investigators for

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their year nines and what what a high

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spirited group they were lots of

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participation in the show and lots of

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excitement thank you again and we had a

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great time

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and I noticed that the stranger things

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down on the group here in Sydney will be

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off to the ODS paranormal and spiritual

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Expo on the 9th of September it's just a

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week away if you go to your Facebook and

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look for stranger things down under

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01:00:31,890 --> 01:00:29,020
you'll see details of that group I think

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I'll be going along there to do some

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reporting for the skeptic zone I'll see

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who who would like to come to and just

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before I go I thought I'd play you a

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01:00:44,359 --> 01:00:41,470
very short clip from my recent radio

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01:00:48,170 --> 01:00:44,369
segment with Mike Williams

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01:00:50,210 --> 01:00:48,180
who does the midnight to dawn slot on

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the weekends on the Macquarie Network

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01:00:55,789 --> 01:00:53,009
all over Australia and my sceptical

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01:00:57,710 --> 01:00:55,799
segment which I share with Tim Mendham

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01:00:59,809 --> 01:00:57,720
from the Australian skeptics comes up

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01:01:00,349 --> 01:00:59,819
about all about a quarter to 6:00 in the

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morning

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so holders basically Rises on a Sunday

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01:01:10,519 --> 01:01:08,039
get to listen to 15 minutes of

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skepticism every week but it's archived

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01:01:14,900 --> 01:01:12,599
it's always archived if you go to for

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01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:14,910
example 2 GB comm and search for

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01:01:18,950 --> 01:01:16,650
Saunders or skeptics or something like

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01:01:21,049 --> 01:01:18,960
that you'll find previous episodes or

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01:01:23,089 --> 01:01:21,059
there's a link on the show notes but the

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one that went out just this morning in

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01:01:28,430 --> 01:01:25,950
fact was all about a lost continent the

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lost island of Atlantis and I thought

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I'd play you a brief clip of what I had

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to say crystal now what I'm going to do

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01:01:38,569 --> 01:01:35,940
is I'm going to read you something a

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01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:38,579
quote from a website I have not made

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01:01:42,829 --> 01:01:40,410
this up this is not something I've

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01:01:44,569 --> 01:01:42,839
conjured up to make the New Age people

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01:01:48,079 --> 01:01:44,579
look a bit silly this is their actual

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01:01:51,019 --> 01:01:48,089
words here we go aunt Leigh Italian

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01:01:53,269 --> 01:01:51,029
crystals crystals from Atlantis receives

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power from various sources including the

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Sun the Earth's energy field grid system

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or from each other grid points are often

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marked by pyramid aha there you go the

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Atlanteans use this energy combined with

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crystals to transmit energy from one

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01:02:12,079 --> 01:02:09,779
pyramid to another or as aliens to enter

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01:02:14,239 --> 01:02:12,089
and leave the planet depending on the

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01:02:16,729 --> 01:02:14,249
tilt of the Earth's axis at particular

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01:02:18,979 --> 01:02:16,739
time of the year one pyramid could

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01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:18,989
function to intensify and transmit

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01:02:24,140 --> 01:02:20,970
energy to other pyramids which would

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01:02:26,509 --> 01:02:24,150
then act to receive and disperse energy

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01:02:29,630 --> 01:02:26,519
is needed the opposite would apply when

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the pyramid was at an unfocused point to

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their celestial alignment when other

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pyramids would be used as transmitters

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01:02:40,489 --> 01:02:37,140
this force of intricate matrix crystal

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01:02:42,349 --> 01:02:40,499
grid systems that takes everything in

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01:02:44,359 --> 01:02:42,359
doesn't it everything we talked about in

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01:02:45,170 --> 01:02:44,369
the last six months it takes everyone an

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01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:45,180
eye sees it

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01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:50,130
aliens crystals pyramids yeah well

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01:02:54,470 --> 01:02:51,450
because this is the wonderful thing

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01:02:56,479 --> 01:02:54,480
about something like Atlantis people can

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01:02:57,160 --> 01:02:56,489
basically and I'll say it they can just

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01:02:59,470 --> 01:02:57,170
make

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01:03:01,990 --> 01:02:59,480
cup anything they like and say this

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01:03:04,299 --> 01:03:02,000
really happened there because you can't

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01:03:05,530 --> 01:03:04,309
verify it you can't go to Atlantis and

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01:03:07,390 --> 01:03:05,540
say well we'll look at the ancient

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01:03:09,819 --> 01:03:07,400
records of Atlantis and see if this is

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01:03:11,890 --> 01:03:09,829
true or not so people can say they

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01:03:14,650 --> 01:03:11,900
that's a lot of fun being on the radio

1439
01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:14,660
every week with Mike Williams and we've

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01:03:21,150 --> 01:03:18,530
been doing that now since February

1441
01:03:23,740 --> 01:03:21,160
I think febri March quite a long time

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01:03:26,829 --> 01:03:23,750
covering many many topics and I hope we

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01:03:28,420 --> 01:03:26,839
continue for many weeks to come and just

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01:03:32,349 --> 01:03:28,430
before I go if you happen to be in

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01:03:35,859 --> 01:03:32,359
Sydney in the Sydney city today the 3rd

1446
01:03:39,069 --> 01:03:35,869
of September Maynard is doing a DJ gig

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01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:39,079
at harpoon Harry's which is a hotel near

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01:03:44,770 --> 01:03:41,450
Central Station I think he starts around

1449
01:03:47,500 --> 01:03:44,780
4 o'clock if you want to see Maynard in

1450
01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:47,510
action as a DJ spinning the discs that's

1451
01:03:53,049 --> 01:03:50,690
the place to be but for now this is

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01:03:59,650 --> 01:03:53,059
Richard Saunders signing off from Sydney

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01:04:02,230 --> 01:03:59,660
Australia you've been listening to the

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01:04:07,299 --> 01:04:02,240
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01:04:11,140 --> 01:04:07,309
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01:04:13,450 --> 01:04:11,150
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01:04:34,809 --> 01:04:32,720
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01:04:37,380 --> 01:04:34,819
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